Seymour MO town council meeting – September 23rd

The minutes for Sept 22nd are posted here:
Hey all…

I promised a report back on the town council meeting. You will have to excuse the disjointed nature of this report as I am very much under the weather and do not have the discipline to do much polishing of this narrative.

Let me start by saying that I was very impressed by the cordiality of those on the town council, and the whole 5 residents that decided to attend.

Even though our Seymour representatives presented the right image and frankly led  me to let my guard down, I think that is folly for the following reasons:

Do not forget that the first 3 presidents, Washington, Adams, and Jefferson, while honorable men did some very dubious things when they got into office. Washington supported a central bank. Adams supported the Alien and Sedition Acts. Jefferson illegally did the Louisiana purchase and put a trade embargo on trade for the entire country. The bottom line is that if I, Doug, or David ever got elected to local government that you should keep a very, very close eye on us as power truly does corrupt, and that we need to keep just as close an eye on those that currently hold office.

There was a very good air about this meeting – it had the informality and the participation that one would expect in a New Hampshire or Vermont town  hall meeting. My hat is off to those that have facilitated this atmosphere. As a town meeting neophyte, I was very pleasantly surprised at the whole way the meeting was conducted.

Here are some of the things that I learned:

The town council meets the 2nd and 4th Thursday of every month at 6 pm at the rear of the building where you pay your water bill. (city hall?)

You are also able to view the itinerary at city hall a few days before each meeting. (Could this be scanned an put on the Internet?)

Rather than a strict narrative I am just going to list my impressions mixed with the events.

I did not know of the itinerary and was lost at times as to what was going on. I do not know if there is a transcript available. I think that with the Internet that an audio and preferably a video record of the meeting would be very useful. I do not know if council would co-operate on this initiative but would think that if a citizen wanted to record the meeting that they would be impotent to prevent it, other than illegal and ill advised arrest of the perpetrator. Wisc. protesters arrested for filming lawmakers    *An update – it gets much better!*

I am not sure of the concealed carry laws at a council meeting but would assume the worse and would like to address the problem of a victim disarmament zone. I think there is a lot of irony of having those that we hire to serve us dictating to us conditions that put our lives in danger.

SHOOTOUT IN RUIDOSO

Ruidoso NM: Mayor bans firearms on public property. Citizens arm themselves, come to city council meeting and disobey the order.

Lincoln Justice brought up his ideas about getting government off the backs of citizens that want to produce food with in the city limits of Seymour. I was taken back by the councils concern with liability if they allowed bee’s within town limits. (Another discussion entirely.) Lincoln and I both suggested that the city rather than passing legalistic ordinances – respect the inalienable right of people to grow food by remaining neutral on the question, by removing all prohibitive ordinances on raising animals/food in town. That would both resolve them both of liability and respect the God given rights of residents. I went a step further and suggested that the town use nuisance law legislation to address any conflicts between residents in this area – and stay far away from trying to legislate constraints on what is a God given right.

One of the councilmen noted that Lincoln was associated with Well Fed Neighbor and expressed the hope that Ruell Chappel would open one of his stores in Seymour. (Are you entrepreneurs [farmers and shop keepers both] listening to this?)

Two very disturbing things that I heard:

In the discussion about a few new business’s coming to Seymour they refereed to the “negotiations” about where a particular business was to be located. It is amazing to me that this was going on in a supposed free country and society. Should this not be the business of the parties directly involved in the transaction?

You may find  this Reason TV video on this topic pertinent: TIMOTHY SANDEFUR ON THE RIGHT TO EARN A LIVING

I find there are 2 kinds of people: Those that want to be left alone and those that will not leave you alone. The latter type are the ones usually those attracted to government service.

And unfortunately those that want to be left alone do not attend town meetings much less run for office.

And  secondly:

When discussing people growing food in Seymour the council voiced the opinion that selling those rabbits would violate zoning and that would not be tolerated. Basically what they are saying is – that earning a living is not a God given inalienable right. That earning a living to feed yourself and your children is subject to the arbitrary dictates of your owners. This attitude also runs rough shod over any illusion that we actually  own the properties that we live on. Do you want to see where the slippery un-Godly “zoning” can eventually lead?  California Town Fines Couple For Holding Bible Study In Their Home

As some of you may or may not know I have lived a large part of my life homeless and on the road and it is laws like this that keep people from standing on their own 2 feet – put them on the dole and are against every principle that this country was founded upon in addition to being contrary to scripture.

Here are Pastor Chuck Baldwin’s thoughts on freedom in Amerika.

These laws that prevent business’s in residential areas are very selectively enforced in Seymour. We do not need selectively enforce laws. We need just laws that are evenly enforced. We need mala in se laws and not mala prohibita laws. We need lawful laws and not just legal laws.

(Another zoning/building code  issue that needs addressed is the abomination that occurred with the day care at the Rock. What ever happened to the absolute right of people to contract? If the parents wanted improvements they could have just voted with their feet. What we witnessed was an arbitrary, tyrannical increase in the price of day care that many parents could scarcely afford. Do you see how this issue relates to abortion in the bigger picture? If you don’t please voice your opinion in a comment below.)

Rachael and Lincoln both expressed interest in forming a citizens group that would meet prior to each council meeting to discuss matters.

Lastly I feel that if I alone continue attending these meetings, decide to rock the boat when it may be needed – I could become a target of the police and other players. (Do not disclude this as I have seen this in action a few times.) So I am hoping that others may choose to take up this responsibility with me – as voting once a year just does not cut it.

I like to say that politics is the way that you choose to treat your fellow man – and that being said it, is very much something that Christians should be involved in and concerned with.

Related articles:

SHOOTOUT IN RUIDOSO

Ruidoso NM: Mayor bans firearms on public property. Citizens arm themselves, come to city council meeting and disobey the order.

Wisc. protesters arrested for filming lawmakers

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I just discovered that the city has a web site.

The minutes for Sept 22nd are posted here:

 The Seymour Board of Alderman met for a regular meeting at 6:00 pm on
Thursday, September 22, 2011 at Seymour City Hall Board Room, 114 East
Washington Street.
Meeting called to order by Mayor, Wayne Cantrell.
Roll call: William Pogue, Mary Carpenter, Janel Lindsey, Luke Wright.
Also present was City Administrator Darin Chappell, City Clerk Leslie Houk,
City Attorney Ben Berkstresser, Police Chief Mike McFarland.
Approval of Minutes
A motion was made by Pogue/Carpenter to approve the minutes as written.
Ayes: All. Nays: None.
First reading of council bill number 2011‐675 – ordinance number 675: An
ordinance approving, and authorizing the Mayor of the city of Seymour,
Missouri, on behalf of said City to enter into, a power supply and
administration agreement, as well as a joint contract, among Missouri Joint
Municipal Electric Utility Commission and the City as a member of the Mid‐
Missouri Municipal Power Energy Pool. A motion was made by
Lindsey/Wright to approve Council bill number 2011‐675 for the first
reading. The following roll call vote was recorded. Ayes: Pogue, Carpenter,
Lindsey and Wright. Nays: None.
Second reading by title only council bill number 2011‐675 – ordinance
number 675: An ordinance approving, and authorizing the Mayor of the city
of Seymour, Missouri, on behalf of said City to enter into, a power supply and
administration agreement, as well as a joint contract, among Missouri Joint
Municipal Electric Utility Commission and the City as a member of the Mid‐
Missouri Municipal Power Energy Pool. A motion was made by
Pogue/Carpenter to approve Council bill number 2011‐675 for the second
reading by title only. The following roll call vote was recorded. Ayes: Pogue,
Carpenter, Lindsey and Wright. Nays: None.
Administrator’s Report‐Darin Chappell
See Report
Mayor’s Report‐Wayne Cantrell
Nothing to Report.
Aldermen’s Report
Order rugs for the Storm Shelter.
There is a speed limit sign that is not visible on Steel Street.
Property at Main and Garfield has chickens. Can we look into this?
Citizen Comment‐William Jackson
Mr. Jackson had some questions regarding a ticket he received for junk at his
residence. Chief McFarland explained to him that the ticket is a warning and if
he cleaned his property up it would be dismissed.
Citizen Comment‐Lincoln Justice
Mr. Justice has noticed that there are no honey bees in this area to pollinate.
The City of Seymour has a no bee ordinance. Mr. Justice would like to propose
an ordinance to allow bees and chickens inside the City.
A motion was made by Pogue/Carpenter to take a 10 minute break and go
into executive session. Ayes: All. Nays: None.

*Note on executive sessions:  When our government operates in secret and out of earshot of those that attend city counsel meetings -there is a good old boys network where certain goings on are leaked to the privileged members of the mainstream press. Take this article by Bob Anderson of The Webster County Citizen. I guess if you don’t suck up you are kept in the dark as to what goes on in the Star Chamber.


A motion was made by Pogue/Carpenter to go back into open session. Ayes:
All. Nays: None.
A motion was made by Pogue/Lindsey/ to adjourn. Ayes: All. Nays: None.
____________________________________
Mayor Wayne Cantrell
_______________________________________
City Clerk Leslie Houk

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